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For Page 329 Question 11. Am I meant to calculate all eigenvalues and eigenvectors or just calculate the eigenvector corresponding to the given eigenvalue of 3?
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For Page 329 Question 11. Am I meant to calculate all eigenvalues and eigenvectors or just calculate the eigenvector corresponding to the given eigenvalue of 3?  
  
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Answer from [[User:Bell|Steve Bell]]&nbsp;:  
  
Yes, you are only supposed to find the eigenvector for lambda=3.
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Yes, you are only supposed to find the eigenvector for lambda=3. (The idea here is to spare you from finding the roots of a rather nasty 3rd degree polynomial.)  
(The idea here is to spare you from finding the roots of a rather
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[[User:Jayling|Jayling]]: thanks Steve, I did try the hard way first but then started to drown in the algebra.
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[[User:Jayling|Jayling]]: thanks Steve, I did try the hard way first but then started to drown in the algebra.  
  
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Question from a student:  
  
Let 3x+4y+2z = 0; 2x+5z= 0 be the system for which I have to find the basis.
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Let 3x+4y+2z = 0; 2x+5z= 0 be the system for which I have to find the basis.  
  
When Row Reduced the above system gives [ 1 0 2.5 0 ; 0 1 -1.375 0].
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When Row Reduced the above system gives [ 1 0 2.5 0&nbsp;; 0 1 -1.375 0].  
  
Rank = no of non zero rows = 2 => Dim(rowspace) = 2 ; Nullity = # free variables = 1
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Rank = no of non zero rows = 2 =&gt; Dim(rowspace) = 2&nbsp;; Nullity = # free variables = 1  
  
Q1: Aren't [ 1 0 2.5] and [0 1 -1.375] called the basis of the system?
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Q1: Aren't [ 1 0 2.5] and [0 1 -1.375] called the basis of the system?  
  
A1 from [[User:Bell|Steve Bell]]:
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A1 from [[User:Bell|Steve Bell]]:  
  
Those two vectors form a basis for the ROW SPACE.
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Those two vectors form a basis for the ROW SPACE.  
  
The solution space is only 1 dimensional (since the
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The solution space is only 1 dimensional (since the number of free variables is only 1).  
number of free variables is only 1).
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Q2: Why is that we get a basis by considering the free variable as some "parameter" and reducing further(and get 1 vector in this case). Isn't
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Q2: Why is that we get a basis by considering the free variable as some "parameter" and reducing further(and get 1 vector in this case). Isn't that the solution of the system?  
that the solution of the system?
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A2 from [[User:Bell|Steve Bell]] :
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A2 from [[User:Bell|Steve Bell]]&nbsp;:  
  
If the system row reduces to
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If the system row reduces to  
 
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then z is the free variable. Let it be t. The top equation gives
  
then z is the free variable. Let it be t.
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x = -2.5 t  
The top equation gives
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x = -2.5 t
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and the second equation gives
  
and the second equation gives
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y = 1.375 t
  
y = 1.375 t
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and of course,
  
and of course,
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z = t.
  
z = t.
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So the general solution is  
 
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<pre>[ x ]  [ -2.5  ]
So the general solution is
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[ x ]  [ -2.5  ]
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[ y ] = [  1.375 ] t
 
[ y ] = [  1.375 ] t
 
[ z ]  [  1    ]
 
[ z ]  [  1    ]
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Thus, you can find the solution from the row echelon matrix, but I wouldn't say that you can read it off from there -- not without practice, at least.
  
Thus, you can find the solution from the row echelon matrix, but I wouldn't say that you can read it off from there -- not without practice, at least.
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Question from the Linear Algebra Noobee ([[User:Jayling|Jayling]]) regarding the Lesson 7 material
  
Question from the Linear Algebra Noobee ([[User:Jayling|Jayling]]) regarding the Lesson 7 material
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An observation from me with eigenvalues and eigenvectors on the 2x2 matrices examples that you presented is that the column space of A-λI when you solve for the first eigenvalue corresponds to the column vector of the second eigenvalue? For the example on page 2 when you REF the A-λI the pivot yields the column space vector in the original matrix of [-2 1]T which exactly matches the eigenvector for when λ=-4, and similarly vice versa when λ=-1 and you REF the A-λI matrix it yields a column space vector of [1 1] T. Is this true for all matrix eigenvalue problems in general, I noticed that it is also true for the complex example that follows? Is this an obvious fact or just a coincidence? Your insight on this would be appreciated.  
 
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An observation from me with eigenvalues and eigenvectors on the 2x2 matrices examples that you presented is that the column space of A-λI when you solve for the first eigenvalue corresponds to the column vector of the second eigenvalue? For the example on page 2 when you REF the A-λI the pivot yields the column space vector in the original matrix of [-2 1]T which exactly matches the eigenvector for when λ=-4, and similarly vice versa when λ=-1 and you REF the A-λI matrix it yields a column space vector of [1 1] T. Is this true for all matrix eigenvalue problems in general, I noticed that it is also true for the complex example that follows? Is this an obvious fact or just a coincidence? Your insight on this would be appreciated.
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On problem 11, I swapped rows 1 and 2 during row reduction and my final solution has x1 and x2 swapped. Do I need to swap back any row swaps or did I make a mistake along the way? [[User:Tlouvar|Tlouvar]]
  
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Question from James Down Under (Jayling):

For Page 329 Question 11. Am I meant to calculate all eigenvalues and eigenvectors or just calculate the eigenvector corresponding to the given eigenvalue of 3?

Answer from Steve Bell :

Yes, you are only supposed to find the eigenvector for lambda=3. (The idea here is to spare you from finding the roots of a rather nasty 3rd degree polynomial.)

Jayling: thanks Steve, I did try the hard way first but then started to drown in the algebra.

Question from a student:

Let 3x+4y+2z = 0; 2x+5z= 0 be the system for which I have to find the basis.

When Row Reduced the above system gives [ 1 0 2.5 0 ; 0 1 -1.375 0].

Rank = no of non zero rows = 2 => Dim(rowspace) = 2 ; Nullity = # free variables = 1

Q1: Aren't [ 1 0 2.5] and [0 1 -1.375] called the basis of the system?

A1 from Steve Bell:

Those two vectors form a basis for the ROW SPACE.

The solution space is only 1 dimensional (since the number of free variables is only 1).

Q2: Why is that we get a basis by considering the free variable as some "parameter" and reducing further(and get 1 vector in this case). Isn't that the solution of the system?

A2 from Steve Bell :

If the system row reduces to

[ 1 0  2.5   0 ]
[ 0 1 -1.375 0 ]

then z is the free variable. Let it be t. The top equation gives

x = -2.5 t

and the second equation gives

y = 1.375 t

and of course,

z = t.

So the general solution is

[ x ]   [ -2.5   ]
[ y ] = [  1.375 ] t
[ z ]   [  1     ]

Thus, you can find the solution from the row echelon matrix, but I wouldn't say that you can read it off from there -- not without practice, at least.

Question from the Linear Algebra Noobee (Jayling) regarding the Lesson 7 material

An observation from me with eigenvalues and eigenvectors on the 2x2 matrices examples that you presented is that the column space of A-λI when you solve for the first eigenvalue corresponds to the column vector of the second eigenvalue? For the example on page 2 when you REF the A-λI the pivot yields the column space vector in the original matrix of [-2 1]T which exactly matches the eigenvector for when λ=-4, and similarly vice versa when λ=-1 and you REF the A-λI matrix it yields a column space vector of [1 1] T. Is this true for all matrix eigenvalue problems in general, I noticed that it is also true for the complex example that follows? Is this an obvious fact or just a coincidence? Your insight on this would be appreciated.



On problem 11, I swapped rows 1 and 2 during row reduction and my final solution has x1 and x2 swapped. Do I need to swap back any row swaps or did I make a mistake along the way? Tlouvar


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